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Sunday, June 29, 2025

Discussion Thread: Wormwood's Approach Reply to Julia

Hello Julia,



I hope you’re doing well today, and thank you for the post. You said, “Many Christians in their earlier years are not so much told about sex as a sin — or even the usage of pornography or masturbation — as this is a taboo and intimate topic.”



This really struck me because I think you’re right. In the past, Christian sexual ethics were pointed to as a strong witness to the truth of the Christian faith. But today many Christians barely do better than their non-believing counterparts.



In today’s overly sexualized culture, many Christian youths are not even taught that certain sexual behaviors are sinful. In fact, Christian sexual ethics have degraded to the point that many times things like masturbation aren’t even considered sins by their leaders. I remember Dr. Dobson mentioning the subject in his course Bringing Up Boys, saying the subject shouldn’t even be addressed with them because it would just cause embarrassment and that the Bible doesn’t mention it anyway. While I grant him that Scripture doesn’t mention it directly — with perhaps the exception of Onan spilling his seed in Genesis 38 — the concept of why it is sinful is quite clear, and the traditional Christian teaching against it through the centuries has also been clear.



I know of many other prominent Christian leaders who take similar stances as Dobson. I think this is a real scandal to the world — not just that Christians in large numbers are not following sexual ethics any better than the rest of the world, but that, in some cases, they can’t even agree on what those ethics are.



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Bibliography



Dobson, James. Bringing Up Boys. Wheaton, IL: Tyndale House Publishers, 2001.



Holy Bible. Revised Standard Version, Second Catholic Edition. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2006.

Discussion Thread: Wormwood's Approach Reply to Eric

Hi Eric,


I too have often heard people who profess to be Christians use the excuse that the church is full of hypocrites as a reason not to go. And it’s clear that they are scandalized by this, but sometimes I wonder why. Because if there’s one thing that is central to the Christian faith, it’s the idea that we’ve all sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). And though it is clear that we should not sin (Matthew 5:48), it is also clear that we do.


There’s a famous saying often attributed to St. John Chrysostom that says, “The Church is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sinners,” which echoes the words of our Lord in Luke: “Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” (Luke 5:31–32)


Another thing I often hear people say is that they do not need to go to church to worship God. But as you rightfully point out, the Church is described as a body — and not just any body, but the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:12–27). So the Church has a divine element to her because she has Christ as her head, and she is not just united to Him but is actually part of Him — His Body. So why would one assume that they can be a part of Christ while shunning His Body?


The Church also has a divine origin — namely Christ Himself (Matthew 16:18) — and is divinely sustained (Matthew 28:20). One thing that all bodies must have is a soul, and the Church, as the Body of Christ, has a divine soul, which is the Holy Spirit (John 14:16–17; John 14:26). All of this is why St. Paul can call the Church “the pillar and bulwark of the truth” (1 Timothy 3:15).


Though they are right when they acknowledge that the Church is full of sinful members who fail to live up to the standards to which they are called, God is faithful to use our sinful acts — and even our good but woefully inadequate works — to His greater glory (Genesis 50:20). And He will, at the end of time, offer us His Church “without spot or wrinkle… holy and without blemish” (Ephesians 5:27).


Sorry for the long-winded stream of thought. Hope you are having a wonderful day.



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Scripture Citations


Romans 3:23


> “Since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”


 


Matthew 5:48


> “You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.”


 


Luke 5:31–32


> “And Jesus answered them, ‘Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick; I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.’”


 


1 Corinthians 12:12–27 (selected)


> “For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ… Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.” (vv. 12, 27)


 


Matthew 16:18


> “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.”


 


Matthew 28:20


> “Teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”


 


John 14:16–17


> “And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth…”


 


John 14:26


> “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.”


 


1 Timothy 3:15


> “…the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.”


 


Genesis 50:20


> “As for you, you meant evil against me; but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today.”


 


Ephesians 5:27


> “…that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.”


 


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Bibliography


 


The Holy Bible. Revised Standard Version, Second Catholic Edition. San Francisco: Ignatius Press, 2006.


 


St. John Chrysostom (attributed). The Church is not a museum for saints, but a hospital for sinners. Commonly cited but without a verifiable original source.

Discussion Tread Post: Wormwood’s Approach

Discussion Tread: Wormwood’s Approach

Kyle Panchot
APOL 330: C.S. Lewis and the Apologetic Imagination 
26 June 2025

 

Wormwood’s approach as adviced by his uncle Screwtape. Throughout the first fifteen chapters, Screwtape’s advised strategy changes from initially trying to have the patient avoid thoughts of truth and reality, which may lead him to think more about God. However, after the patient has a conversion experience, Screwtape suggests it may actually be beneficial for him to remain in the church, provided he does not solely turn towards God but divides his life between his faith and secular life. He encourages the patient to adopt a superficial and contrived view of God and the church, all the while allowing minor sins to gradually erode his relationship with God. Screwtape advises, “It is, therefore, most important to keep the patient…in a condition where he can practice self-examination for an hour without discovering any of those facts about himself which are perfectly clear to anyone who has ever lived in the same house with him.”¹

Initially, Screwtape finds Wormwood to be somewhat overzealous and warns him against large, obvious attacks that may put his human on the defensive. Instead, he encourages more subtle attacks, having the patient focus his attention on worldly matters like longing for the past and hopes for the future. This strategy distracts him from contemplating deeper truths. Screwtape writes, “It is funny how mortals always picture us as putting things into their minds: in reality our best work is done by keeping things out.”²

This tendency toward subtle forms of temptation rather than large, obvious ones is a recurring theme in the book. For example, Screwtape advises Wormwood that there is no need for the patient to commit murder when smaller vices will do: “The safest road to Hell is the gradual one—the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts.”³

Early in the patient’s conversion, Screwtape advises Wormwood not to engage the patient in direct argument but rather to divert his attention to materialism, fearing that argument might sharpen his focus on truth and thereby draw him closer to God. “By the very act of arguing, you awake the patient’s reason; and once it is awake, who can foresee the result?”⁴

Later, Screwtape is pleased when Wormwood’s patient acquires new friends with a worldly outlook. He instructs Wormwood to encourage the patient to compartmentalize his life into religious and secular spheres. Screwtape notes, “Provided that meetings, pamphlets, policies, movements, causes, and crusades, matter more to him than prayers and sacraments and charity, he is ours.”⁵

Prayer is also subtly corrupted. The patient is encouraged to engage in prayers lacking genuine concentration of will and intellect, instead focusing on vague feelings about God rather than on God as He actually is. Screwtape explains, “Keep him praying to it—to the thing that he has made, not to the Person who has made him.”⁶

The concept of love is similarly distorted. The patient is guided to focus exclusively on the feelings of being 'in love' rather than love as genuinely willing the good of the other. Screwtape writes that they must lead the patient to believe that “only the feeling of being in love justifies marriage.”⁷

Screwtape emphasizes that very small sins, accumulating over time, gradually edge one away from the light. “Indeed the safest road to Hell is the gradual one.”³

These themes resonate strongly in our current day. For example, films and TV frequently emphasize love at first sight and the emotional thrill of romance, simultaneously undermining marriage and family values. Similarly, society's emphasis on materialism promotes the pursuit of possessions as a path to happiness. Society also attempts to recast pride from a vice into a virtue, encouraging people to believe that repentance is unnecessary and advocating pride in oneself regardless of faults.

In conclusion, the overarching theme of Screwtape’s strategy is not necessarily the use of significant temptations, but rather persistent, subtle nudges that incrementally lead one away from the light and into darkness.


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C. S. Lewis, *The Screwtape Letters* (New York: HarperOne, 2001), Letter 3.
Ibid., Letter 4.
Ibid., Letter 12.
Ibid., Letter 1.
Ibid., Letter 7.
Ibid., Letter 4.
Ibid., Letter 18.